About 151A1C

[muttero]

Hi all again.

At first say sorry for being so boring, as I am putting a lot of questions to you, but I can find another source of information.

As some of you knows I am looking for a Mutt, and have several ones located. One that at first I didn´t consider was a 151 A1C, because I thought that it hasn´t improvements against the 151.

I would like to know what are the improvements against the 151, and what it hasn´t that the A2 has.

Also looking for some pics I asked my self as well that if in the A1c could be mounted a full canvas, how many people can travel in the car, if a rear seat can be mounted.......

Could you please help me to know a little bit more this little common mutt?

many thanks for your help.

[rickf]

I never heard of a "C" variant. All of the M151 and M151A1 series had the rear swing arm suspension. The m151A2 had the trailing arm rear suspension which is a much more stable system. All of the 151's have rear seats and will seat four people comfortably. You also have a M718 ambulance version and the M825 TOW missile version. They are very different than the standard M151.

Rick

[muttero]

Have a look Rickf

http://g838.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=135 ... a1c#p10338

Thank you.

[rickf]

My mistake. I was think of the TOW launcher and forgot the 106 RR.
It's to early!

Rick

[Horst]

To answer your question, it has none of the A2 features

you might want to read this too: http://g838.org/wiki/doku.php?id=identifying_a_m151

[Muttland]

The M-825 is de M-151 A1C version W/ A2 supension features.

[Ralph Fuller]

[rickf]

Ah yes, Ralph to the rescue as always.

Rick

[mightybaldone]

I'm restoring two M151A1C s so I hope this will help. The A1C has two side seats instead of the one back seat. The seats sit over each rear wheel. If the seats are down you can put a soft top on, but if you want to use the side seats you will not beable to use a sof top as the seat brackets sit out to far for the bows .
The A1C also has the heavier rear springs then the A1. You have the same suspension on a M825 as an A2 but with heavier springs. The A1C also has a side tire mount just infront of the passenger seat ( still looking for one ) and the gas can mounts on the drivers side in front of the driver.

Hope this helps.

[k8icu]

With out the weapon system in the A1C or the 825 the thing is murder to drive. Because of the heaver springs to hold the weapon system the 106 RR or the TOW the rear end pops up so to speak in the rear. On the A1 the toe in on the rear wheels is even worse than on the regular A1 it is extreme. The Army said that when driving a A1C or 825 with out weapon system that the vehicle was to be driven no more than 5 mph.

[mightybaldone]

I took the extra spring casing off one of the A1Cs because I don't have a gun yet. I drive it to work at 55 mph with no problem. Most of the problems come from a driver not being aware of the restrictions and capabilities of the vehicle they drive. No matter what it is you always have those that think they don't have to learn to drive a vehicle they can just jump in and take off.

Because a A1C has a square back I put a tailgate on it until it comes time to restore it. Great to drive.

[muttero]

Hi again friends,

Horst, thanks for the post, interesting, do you know who am I? my mutt virus is your fault. jaja

Ralph, thanks for the picture although I can´t see very well the Ac1, I have to say that it is very nice the A2 with the Rops and the windshield down.


Mightybaldone, regarding the seats, I suppose they are removable, are they? and it is possible to mount the other rear seat for two people in the a1C?

I am not sure about what you says about the rear suspension on the A1c. The rear suspension of the A1C it is still this dangerous one with risck of roll over? I know they are hevier to suppoort the weight of the TOW, but it is still the dangerous suspension? Only the A2 has the safest rear suspension, Hasn´t it?

Thanks for your help MIghtbaldone

K8 Icu,

Not happy for reading what you have wrote, but this is with the heavier suspension, and without guns, and what about without heavier suspension and without guns? Thanks for your help.

Well it seems to be answered in the next post. Thank you kightybaldone again.

Last question, could a ROPS be mounted in a AC1?

thanks all for your help,

Willie

[mightybaldone]

The rear side seats are bolted down with 4 bolts each and are removable. You can install a full rear bench seat but you will have to make a support bracket for the back of the seat as the seat has nothing to rest againt.

ROPS can be installed as long as you don't install the rear side seats. That being said you could move, drill new holes, and remount the rear side seats in alittle in but those riding in the seats will need to be short in height.

Enjoy the MUTT.

[Horst]

Yes, sure I know...

Very often it is not recommended to install ROPS in the A1. First ROPS was only for installation in A2s so if you do it, you create something that is at least not fully authentic. Second, if you don't care about this, ROPS will lift the center of gravity as it is relatively heavy and as such might increase roll over risk. But as people have said before, both the A1 and the A2 are easy to roll anyway if you are not careful, the A1 does not give you the warning and the A2 can probably handle a little more speed.

The main reason however I decided to put in ROPS was not that I was afraid of a roll over, that's something which is to a large degree under your own control, it was that ROPS simply provides seat belts. So now my chances like in a simple rear ending accident in the city, are now significantly better. Nothing comparable to a modern car of course, but much better than without or simple laps belts. I tell you, I know what I am talking about having had an older lady hitting my M201. Not having seat belts is nothing you want at that time.

So as said, you can install ROPS in an A1 and others have done it. Just be aware of the pros and cons.

[raymond]

My M151A1 came with ROPS. The previous owner put it in after an accident in which it almost rolled over on top of him. It scared the hell out of him, and as soon as he got the body and windshield repaired, he put the ROPS in. I have read over at Muttmotorpool where one of the guys was demilling some of the M151s back in the 1980s and he said they came across several M151A1s that the military had installed ROPS on. Here is a picture of mine.